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<div class='commentpost'>This is an amazing site.  I hope and expect to make some contributions at some point ...</div>
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<div class='commentpost'>Thanks for your comments.  Please tell us in more detail what you like about OutHistory, and what you think can be improved.  And please think about creating some great LGBTQ history content (with pictures).  Thanks.  Jonathan Ned Katz, Co-Director of OutHistory</div>
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<div class='commentpost'>Hi Jonathan, just wanted to let you know that Blogs.com has a Top-10 Sites feature and I recently submitted one for History sites and I included OutHistory as one of them. (see it at http://www.blogs.com/topten/ ) Perhaps this will generate additional traffic for you.
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<div class='commentpost'>Thanks so much to everyone for OutHistory! It's a great resource and I especially appreciate the reproduction of Grier's bibiography Lesbians in Literature and the recent article on Diana Frederics.</div>
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<div class='commentpost'>11-4-2010 Hi. I'm 75 years old & need a will. Since 1970 I've been collecting a library on GLBTQs, emphasis on non-fiction, & since late 1990s a library on paganism & shamanism, emphasis on Druidry. Need to find a suitable venue for bequest of these collections, to be archived--together in one place. Can you help? landline telephone 412-322-2239 (takes messages) Thanks, David A. Whaley, Ph.D.</div>
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<div class='commentpost'>This is Eric Hubert from the Disney lawsuit in 1988.  I accidentally found this website when I was writing about the incident at Disney, the lawsuit and how it changed who I was and still am regarding my pride and my place in the GLBT community.  Please let me know if any schools need a speaker regarding GLBT issues and history.  I currently live in Boston and travelling in the Eastern seaboard is quite easy. </div>
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<div class='commentpost'>To: patricia Boyd- Do you know about "The Audre Lorde Project" in NYC? I'm sure you can find info and history with this very capable organization. They are located in Bklyn. (google them).
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<div class='commentpost'>I resided in Beverly Hills when Ah Men Clothing was established in 1962 in West Hollywood by Don Cook & Jerry Furlow. Jerry died in 1964. A mutual Beverly Hills friend said later one of them died of suicide. Ah Men had a unique Gay perspective on mens' attire which might well have led to general American male awareness & acceptance of a more body-conscious emphasis in their apparel, especially so as to our special "manhood", before crotch grabbing began. Many of today's designers & clothiers follow their lead. Cook & Furlow deserve credit for a major change of attitude by American men but their story remains known to but a few of us still living. Only backward, repressed young males of the current day still harbor shame regarding male sexuality. If my memory is correct the nationally mailed Ah Men catalog became International Male & Undergear catalogs. Does anyone agree? Only Undergear survives under Brawn/Hanover Direct of New Jersey. Per my reading of the Undergear & Wikipedia (Undergear) websites today sadly no mention is made of Ah Men nor of its founders at either website. Could homophobia & bigotry guide history-telling by corporate CEOs now in control? Gay history has too long been ignored & suppressed! Woe be unto liars & haters!
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Welcome to OutHistory.org, the town clock around which all of us interested in the history of sexuality and gender can gather to exchange news of the latest historical detective work, the startling new clue discovered, the mystery unraveled -- the town clock whose hourly chime reminds us of time’s passage and the substantial changes in the acts, feelings, relationships, ideas, words, and judgments of people within society and time.
 
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OutHistory.org is produced by The Center for Lesbian and Gay Studies (CLAGS), located at the City University of New York Graduate Center. The site is directed by Jonathan Ned Katz and the OutHistory Project Director for CLAGS is Lauren Gutterman. The site was designed by Cidamon.com using open-source MediaWiki software. The Arcus Foundation funded the site's coordination, design, and maintenance in 2007-2008. The content of OutHistory.org is provided by volunteers. For more about OutHistory.org, see About. Email : outhistory@gc.cuny.edu Telephone: 212 817-1955
 

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StephenB said ...
11:28, 13 November 2009 (PST)
This is an amazing site. I hope and expect to make some contributions at some point ...
nulaacachusly said ...
19:37, 15 November 2009 (PST)
Hey everyone just wanna say hello and introduce myself!
Jnk said ...
16:32, 24 November 2009 (EST)
Thanks for your comments. Please tell us in more detail what you like about OutHistory, and what you think can be improved. And please think about creating some great LGBTQ history content (with pictures). Thanks. Jonathan Ned Katz, Co-Director of OutHistory
Ksofronski said ...
11:22, 23 December 2009 (EST)
i want list of gay bars from 1960's in NYC
Bill said ...
09:53, 29 March 2010 (EST)
I'm glad I found this we need more history info out here. And to say HI to everyone.
Sue Hardesty said ...
08:28, 9 May 2010 (EST)
I need lesbian femme history for a cookbook.
Manofhattan said ...
12:17, 26 June 2010 (EST)
Hi Jonathan, just wanted to let you know that Blogs.com has a Top-10 Sites feature and I recently submitted one for History sites and I included OutHistory as one of them. (see it at http://www.blogs.com/topten/ ) Perhaps this will generate additional traffic for you.

Happy Pride '10! Rob Frydlewicz

http://www.HistoryAsYouExperiencedIt.com
Doric Wilson said ...
16:02, 30 June 2010 (EST)
What an astonishing site! Thank you.
JulieREnszer said ...
08:58, 29 July 2010 (EST)
Thanks so much to everyone for OutHistory! It's a great resource and I especially appreciate the reproduction of Grier's bibiography Lesbians in Literature and the recent article on Diana Frederics.
Bianca Lanza said ...
00:05, 9 October 2010 (EST)
Looking for any information about the Sahara club for women - people who were there and would like to talk about it. We are making a documentary about Leslie and Beth called "Written in Stonewall." Leslie was one of the owners. The two have been together for 34 years and were the models for the George Segal "Gay Liberation" sculpture in Sheridan Square. Please check out website writteninstonewall.com .
Adrian Risdon said ...
05:46, 19 October 2010 (EST)
(Brief version of what I typed before)

1. I'm interested in Andrew Gifford Jr and urban gay life in the English 18th century generally.

2. The attempts by gay novelist David Rees to recreate past gay lives. I know that "historical fiction" is a contradiction-in-terms for some people, but I feel it's better than nothing.
david.whaley@verizon.net said ...
11:00, 4 November 2010 (EST)
11-4-2010 Hi. I'm 75 years old & need a will. Since 1970 I've been collecting a library on GLBTQs, emphasis on non-fiction, & since late 1990s a library on paganism & shamanism, emphasis on Druidry. Need to find a suitable venue for bequest of these collections, to be archived--together in one place. Can you help? landline telephone 412-322-2239 (takes messages) Thanks, David A. Whaley, Ph.D.
Herrpilates said ...
10:46, 29 November 2010 (EST)
This is Eric Hubert from the Disney lawsuit in 1988. I accidentally found this website when I was writing about the incident at Disney, the lawsuit and how it changed who I was and still am regarding my pride and my place in the GLBT community. Please let me know if any schools need a speaker regarding GLBT issues and history. I currently live in Boston and travelling in the Eastern seaboard is quite easy.
Sapphosays said ...
22:18, 15 December 2010 (EST)
How religion has actually hurt lesbians and gay men.
patricia boyd said ...
20:49, 5 January 2011 (EST)
I would like to hear and learned more about Audrea Lorde, it would also be terrific if someone were to do an documenary about her. I would also like to know about her children and what has become of them after the loss of their mother.
WKBbrat@aol.com said ...
08:58, 2 February 2011 (EST)
To: patricia Boyd- Do you know about "The Audre Lorde Project" in NYC? I'm sure you can find info and history with this very capable organization. They are located in Bklyn. (google them). To John & others: Great site, much needed. keep up the great work, & I, too, hope to contribute in the future.
YoDaveG said ...
13:31, 7 February 2011 (EST)
Gay history—in song: http://www.youtube.com/user/gevadoy?feature=mhum#p/u/0/rl1ysqmkKto
St Graal said ...
16:02, 22 April 2011 (EST)
I resided in Beverly Hills when Ah Men Clothing was established in 1962 in West Hollywood by Don Cook & Jerry Furlow. Jerry died in 1964. A mutual Beverly Hills friend said later one of them died of suicide. Ah Men had a unique Gay perspective on mens' attire which might well have led to general American male awareness & acceptance of a more body-conscious emphasis in their apparel, especially so as to our special "manhood", before crotch grabbing began. Many of today's designers & clothiers follow their lead. Cook & Furlow deserve credit for a major change of attitude by American men but their story remains known to but a few of us still living. Only backward, repressed young males of the current day still harbor shame regarding male sexuality. If my memory is correct the nationally mailed Ah Men catalog became International Male & Undergear catalogs. Does anyone agree? Only Undergear survives under Brawn/Hanover Direct of New Jersey. Per my reading of the Undergear & Wikipedia (Undergear) websites today sadly no mention is made of Ah Men nor of its founders at either website. Could homophobia & bigotry guide history-telling by corporate CEOs now in control? Gay history has too long been ignored & suppressed! Woe be unto liars & haters! Rainier de le St Graal, Prophet 4-22-11
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