Difference between revisions of "Allen Ginsberg: to Jonathan Ned Katz re Gavin Arthur, August 8, 1990"
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| − | On November 15, 1989, | + | On November 15, 1989, Jonathan Ned Katz was contemplating a historical essay about Gavin Arthur's claim to have had sex with Edward Carpenter (see [[Jonathan Ned Katz: "Gavin Arthur Recalls Edward Carpenter," 1967]]). Poet Allen Ginsberg had urged Arthur to write out this sexy version of his encounter with Carpenter, and Carpenter's discussion of Walt Whitman, and then seen to their publication after Arthur's death. |
| − | Ginsberg | + | Katz therefore wrote to Ginsberg, asking several questions about the evidence for Arthur's claims, and about what Ginsberg thought about that evidence. |
| − | Katz had said he was interested in establishing "the accuracy of some of the historical and biographical | + | Ginsberg answered Katz on August 8, 1990, apologizing for not answering sooner: "Catching up with letters -- months delayed, piles two feed high." He signed himself: "Allen". |
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| + | Katz had said he was interested in establishing "the accuracy of some of the historical and biographical detailss cited by Arthur--so as to lend credence to the accuracy of Arthur's comments on Walt Whitman." To this Ginsberg responded: | ||
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| − | Katz asked Ginsberg, "do you think that Gavin Arthur might have invented the sexual encounter with Carpenter, and Carpenter's with Whitman, perhaps to impress you?" To this Ginsberg wrote in the margin of Katz's letter: "No", underlined twice for emphasis. But next to the "No" is a large question mark, either added by Ginsberg before writing the "No" or afterward to question the emphasis of his "No." | + | Katz asked Ginsberg, "do you think that Gavin Arthur might have invented the sexual encounter with Carpenter, and Carpenter's with Whitman, perhaps to impress you?" |
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| + | To this Ginsberg wrote in the margin of Katz's letter: "No", underlined twice for emphasis. But next to the "No" is a large question mark, either added by Ginsberg before writing the "No" or afterward to question the emphasis of his "No." Ginsberg's meaning here is ambiguous. | ||
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| − | :Whitman scholar Miller asked for Arthur's original letter 10 years ago, I searched then, no luck. I suppose it'll turn up, | + | :Whitman scholar Miller asked for Arthur's original letter 10 years ago, I searched then, no luck. I suppose it'll turn up, hope so -- Allen Ginsberg |
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Revision as of 16:12, 13 August 2011
ENTRY UNDER CONSTRUCTION
On November 15, 1989, Jonathan Ned Katz was contemplating a historical essay about Gavin Arthur's claim to have had sex with Edward Carpenter (see Jonathan Ned Katz: "Gavin Arthur Recalls Edward Carpenter," 1967). Poet Allen Ginsberg had urged Arthur to write out this sexy version of his encounter with Carpenter, and Carpenter's discussion of Walt Whitman, and then seen to their publication after Arthur's death.
Katz therefore wrote to Ginsberg, asking several questions about the evidence for Arthur's claims, and about what Ginsberg thought about that evidence.
Ginsberg answered Katz on August 8, 1990, apologizing for not answering sooner: "Catching up with letters -- months delayed, piles two feed high." He signed himself: "Allen".
Katz had said he was interested in establishing "the accuracy of some of the historical and biographical detailss cited by Arthur--so as to lend credence to the accuracy of Arthur's comments on Walt Whitman." To this Ginsberg responded:
- His text is exactly presented as I got it --
Katz asked Ginsberg, "do you think that Gavin Arthur might have invented the sexual encounter with Carpenter, and Carpenter's with Whitman, perhaps to impress you?"
To this Ginsberg wrote in the margin of Katz's letter: "No", underlined twice for emphasis. But next to the "No" is a large question mark, either added by Ginsberg before writing the "No" or afterward to question the emphasis of his "No." Ginsberg's meaning here is ambiguous.
At the bottom of this letter, Ginsberg wrote to Katz:
- 8/8/90
- 2 AM
- Dear J.N.K.--
- Arthur told me the story, I asked him to write it out, he gave me I think a typed original page close[?] with [insert] in his idiosyncratic handwriting [end insert.] I reproduced it in Straight Heart's Delight (Gay ????????) exactly as writ. But I can't find his paper now, among 200,00 indexed items at Columbia U. Library Special Collections.
Ginsberg added:
- Whitman scholar Miller asked for Arthur's original letter 10 years ago, I searched then, no luck. I suppose it'll turn up, hope so -- Allen Ginsberg
Here is Katz's letter to Ginsberg, with the poet's notes:
